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catsidheClarke and Dawe meet with a reflective Philip Ruddock
Australian Broadcasting Corporation
Broadcast: 14/08/2008
Reporter: John Clarke and Bryan Dawe
Transcript
KERRY O'BRIEN, PRESENTER: Time for John Clarke and Bryan Dawe with former Howard government minister Philip Ruddock in a reflective mood.
BRYAN DAWE, COMEDIAN: Mr Ruddock, thanks for coming in.
JOHN CLARKE, COMEDIAN: It has been too long, Bryan.
BRYAN DAWE: Yes, you have expressed regret this week
JOHN CLARKE: Yes, I have.
BRYAN DAWE: About the length of time the Australian Government held children in detention
JOHN CLARKE: Yes that's correct.
BRYAN DAWE: When you were in Government.
JOHN CLARKE: Yes that's right.
BRYAN DAWE: What was your portfolio at the time?
JOHN CLARKE: I was the Federal Immigration Minister.
BRYAN DAWE: And who were the children?
JOHN CLARKE: The children, Bryan, were the children of people seeking asylum in Australia.
BRYAN DAWE: They were put into detention.
JOHN CLARKE: Yes, that's right.
BRYAN DAWE: Is that normal?
JOHN CLARKE: It was normal at that time, Bryan.
BRYAN DAWE: And now as I understand it you regret that.
JOHN CLARKE: I regret the length of time that those children were kept in detention.
BRYAN DAWE: Yes, and did you speak to the Immigration Minister at the time?
JOHN CLARKE: I was the Immigration Minister at the time.
BRYAN DAWE: So you regret yourself?
JOHN CLARKE: I do not regret myself, Bryan, I regret that those children were not released earlier than they were.
BRYAN DAWE: Why weren't the children released earlier?
JOHN CLARKE: Because of a lack of funding.
BRYAN DAWE: Oh, so there's hidden costs in opening a gate, is there?
JOHN CLARKE: That is a facetious remark, Bryan, and I shall ignore it.
BRYAN DAWE: Tell me, what are the costs of letting children out of jail then?
JOHN CLARKE: The children, Bryan, were not in jail.
BRYAN DAWE: What was it called then, this place where children were incarcerated for longer than you now think they should have been?
JOHN CLARKE: The children as a repeatedly said were in detention.
BRYAN DAWE: You would have liked funding for what reason?
JOHN CLARKE: I said I regret, Bryan the fact that we did not have extra funding.
BRYAN DAWE: Yes, but why do you regret that?
JOHN CLARKE: We could have built a better jail. No for the children.
BRYAN DAWE: For the children.
JOHN CLARKE: For the children Bryan.
BRYAN DAWE: And some toys.
JOHN CLARKE: What are toys?
BRYAN DAWE: Mr Ruddock, you've also expressed some misgivings about the handling of Dr Haneef's case.
JOHN CLARKE: There was no case against Dr Haneef.
BRYAN DAWE: Well that's right, no case was brought against Dr Haneef, you have concerns about the way this matter was handled.
JOHN CLARKE: There was an investigation by the police, Bryan, and there was an investigation by ASIO, and it could be the view of the law that those investigations com promised one another.
BRYAN DAWE: Did you speak to the Attorney General at the time?
JOHN CLARKE: I was the Attorney General at the time.
BRYAN DAWE: So will we hear more of your regrets?
JOHN CLARKE: I imagine I may have yet further regrets over time, Bryan, yes.
BRYAN DAWE: As you think about what you did.
JOHN CLARKE: I do not regret what I did.
BRYAN DAWE: But you did everything you regretted so far.
JOHN CLARKE: I regret having been put the position where I was forced to do those things.
BRYAN DAWE: For 11 years.
JOHN CLARKE: For 11 years.
BRYAN DAWE: Thanks for your time.
JOHN CLARKE: I shot the Albatross.
Australian Broadcasting Corporation
Broadcast: 14/08/2008
Reporter: John Clarke and Bryan Dawe
Transcript
KERRY O'BRIEN, PRESENTER: Time for John Clarke and Bryan Dawe with former Howard government minister Philip Ruddock in a reflective mood.
BRYAN DAWE, COMEDIAN: Mr Ruddock, thanks for coming in.
JOHN CLARKE, COMEDIAN: It has been too long, Bryan.
BRYAN DAWE: Yes, you have expressed regret this week
JOHN CLARKE: Yes, I have.
BRYAN DAWE: About the length of time the Australian Government held children in detention
JOHN CLARKE: Yes that's correct.
BRYAN DAWE: When you were in Government.
JOHN CLARKE: Yes that's right.
BRYAN DAWE: What was your portfolio at the time?
JOHN CLARKE: I was the Federal Immigration Minister.
BRYAN DAWE: And who were the children?
JOHN CLARKE: The children, Bryan, were the children of people seeking asylum in Australia.
BRYAN DAWE: They were put into detention.
JOHN CLARKE: Yes, that's right.
BRYAN DAWE: Is that normal?
JOHN CLARKE: It was normal at that time, Bryan.
BRYAN DAWE: And now as I understand it you regret that.
JOHN CLARKE: I regret the length of time that those children were kept in detention.
BRYAN DAWE: Yes, and did you speak to the Immigration Minister at the time?
JOHN CLARKE: I was the Immigration Minister at the time.
BRYAN DAWE: So you regret yourself?
JOHN CLARKE: I do not regret myself, Bryan, I regret that those children were not released earlier than they were.
BRYAN DAWE: Why weren't the children released earlier?
JOHN CLARKE: Because of a lack of funding.
BRYAN DAWE: Oh, so there's hidden costs in opening a gate, is there?
JOHN CLARKE: That is a facetious remark, Bryan, and I shall ignore it.
BRYAN DAWE: Tell me, what are the costs of letting children out of jail then?
JOHN CLARKE: The children, Bryan, were not in jail.
BRYAN DAWE: What was it called then, this place where children were incarcerated for longer than you now think they should have been?
JOHN CLARKE: The children as a repeatedly said were in detention.
BRYAN DAWE: You would have liked funding for what reason?
JOHN CLARKE: I said I regret, Bryan the fact that we did not have extra funding.
BRYAN DAWE: Yes, but why do you regret that?
JOHN CLARKE: We could have built a better jail. No for the children.
BRYAN DAWE: For the children.
JOHN CLARKE: For the children Bryan.
BRYAN DAWE: And some toys.
JOHN CLARKE: What are toys?
BRYAN DAWE: Mr Ruddock, you've also expressed some misgivings about the handling of Dr Haneef's case.
JOHN CLARKE: There was no case against Dr Haneef.
BRYAN DAWE: Well that's right, no case was brought against Dr Haneef, you have concerns about the way this matter was handled.
JOHN CLARKE: There was an investigation by the police, Bryan, and there was an investigation by ASIO, and it could be the view of the law that those investigations com promised one another.
BRYAN DAWE: Did you speak to the Attorney General at the time?
JOHN CLARKE: I was the Attorney General at the time.
BRYAN DAWE: So will we hear more of your regrets?
JOHN CLARKE: I imagine I may have yet further regrets over time, Bryan, yes.
BRYAN DAWE: As you think about what you did.
JOHN CLARKE: I do not regret what I did.
BRYAN DAWE: But you did everything you regretted so far.
JOHN CLARKE: I regret having been put the position where I was forced to do those things.
BRYAN DAWE: For 11 years.
JOHN CLARKE: For 11 years.
BRYAN DAWE: Thanks for your time.
JOHN CLARKE: I shot the Albatross.
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Date: 2008-08-24 04:56 am (UTC)i don't get the reference to the albatross tho??
-- mpp
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Date: 2008-08-24 08:25 am (UTC)